Christina McGuire Gatliff and Children
Subject: Descendant of Capt. Charles GatliffDate: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:23:06 -0700 (PDT)From: Bokaygal@aol.comTo: RUDDLESFORT-l@rootsweb.com
Hello
I just read your site on Ruddel's Station - EXCELLENT!! very informative!! My relatives, Christina McGuire Gatliff and her children, were at Martin's Station in 1780. Is the a website about Martin's Station as informative as this one? Or anybody know where I can go to find more info without having to wade through every "Martin" on the Internet?? :)
Please help!*
Thanks!!
Becky
*I responded and helped her. [Bob Francis]
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Subject: Descendant of Capt. Charles GatliffDate: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:43:54 EDTFrom: Bokaygal@aol.comTo: darby@visi.net
Thanks for the site information! I plan to look at it as soon as I send you my family information.
My Gatliff line looks like this:
James Gatliff - b. ca 1722 - marr. Martha Farris
Capt Charles Gatliff b. 28 May 1745 d. 30 May 1838 - marr Christina McGuire
Elizabeth Gatliff b. ca 1788 - d. 1856 - marr Wm C. Martin
Sarah Martin b. 29 Oct 1813 - d. 11 Jan 1865 - marr Joseph Hamblin
Tyrell Hamblin b. ca 1813-1814 - marr Sarah Chambers
William Riley Hamblin b. 2 Apr 1876 - d. ca 1936? - marr Nellie Chambers
Jerome Hamblin b. Sep 1907 d. 26 May 1977 - married Goldie Johnson
Ken Hamblin b. 1929
Becky Hamblin b. 1952
There it is in a nutshell - let me know if you would like further information - I have much more but just not sure how much you needed.
Thanks again for a great site! Look forward to hearing from you again soon!
Becky Perry
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Subject: Capt. Charles GatliffDate: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:36:54 PDTFrom: "James Sellars" <sellarsj@hotmail.com>To: RUDDLESFORT-L@rootsweb.com
Bob,
This deposition mentions three hunters for Ruddell's and Martin's stations; Dorchester, Thomas Emory and Isaac Reace, who were killed before the capture of the two places. This deposition is found in the Draper Manuscript Collection (George Rogers Clark Papers) and the National Archives.
James
Capt. Charles Gatliff's Revolutionary War Pension Statement. I was a spy in 1774 for Fawler's Fort, Culbersons Bottom, on New River, the length of service not recollected. In 1775 was peace, in 1776-'7, we had war with both British and Indians, but I was not called on in either year. In 1778, in the month of June, I commenced as an Indian spy the 1st tour with different mates I served upwards of five months. I assisted in erecting Riddle's Fort, in Kentucky. In 1779 I volunteered in Capt. Haggin's Company - and that was on Bowman's Campaign - had a battle at Chilecotha with the Shawnees; we got but one scalp, but lossed 10 or 12 men. After our return I engaged to hunt for game to supply Riddle's Fort to prevent it breaking up - Dorchester, their hunter, being killed, and his mate refusing to serve longer. In hunting I frequently took with me Thomas Emory, who was killed near the Fort. I continued until I concluded to build another fort called since Martin's Fort. I hunted for Martin's Fort sometime. Isaac Reace, my hunting mate, being killed, I took such others as I could get to serve. When I was absent, the Fort was taken by the British and Indians, and it's inhabitants made prisoners - amongst whom were my wife and four children. I then joined Colonel Logan at Bryant's Springs, and was appointed a spy and pilot for the army which marched to Mad River, at Pickiway - had a battle and lost 18 or 20 men. On our return I received orders from Colonel Bowman to take possession and command of Bryant's Fort (or Station) which I kept until sometime in November; I then took a tour as a spy to Limestone to ascertain the movement of the enemy - a tour of 20 days; and after returning, I resigned all business of the kind, and in the spring 1781, I went in company with Daniel Boone and Benjamin Logan, members elected to the Virginia Legislature, to Virginia. I returned (I think) in July of the same year. In the fall following, I started through the wilderness to join the southern army, but hearing that Corn Wallace was taken at York, I changed my course, and went to Virginia, Greenbriar County. In 1783, I met my family below Staunton who had been taken prisoners from Martin's Station in Kentucky, and with them returned to Kentucky in the month of May. Clark's expedition failing I remained at ease until in 1786. I served in all the campaigns ever raised in Kentucky, except Clarks in 1782 at the Blue Licks - I was a spy and pilot in 1786, under Logan; in 1790 I was a spy, and pilot in Harmar's Campaign - I headed the pioneers about one and a half month, and after my arrival at home, I quit the service.
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Gatliff researchers,
The Gatliff Obit is found in Draper MSS "29J." I don't think I added this in the last e-mail. This pension is on file at the National Archives but this one is a copy in the Draper papers.
Jim Sellars
Draper Manuscript Collection 29J:88-90(1)
Sate of Kentucky
Whitely County Sct.
On the 21st day of October 1833 personally appeared before the Whitely County Court Charles Gatliff, a resident of Whitely County, in the State of Kentucky, aged Eighty five years the 25th day of May last, who being duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provisions made by the act of Congress, passed June 7th, 1832.
That on the 2d day of June, 1778, he commenced as an Indian Spy under an appointment of John Henderson Commander of Crook's fort Bottetourt County, Virginia, that he was in actual service under said appointment five months and thirteen days. 1st one tour of ten days with James Fotzpatrick, 2d tour of ten days with Joseph Ellis & William McGuire, 3rd tour of four months and23 days with Matthew Creed the service ending the 15th of November of the same year. In June 1780, He was appointed an Indian Spy by Col. Benjamin Logan on Clark's expedition in which capacity hr served three months. He was appointed a spy by said Col. Logan to repair to Limestone to ascertain as well the movements of the Indians as British in which he served twenty days. The two last from Kentucky making nine months and 23 days he was in actual service as an Indian spy. Previous to the last two tours, and in 1779, he served two campaigns as a volunteer private under commander of Captain Riddle in which campaign they erected Riddle's Station he was in actual service one month. In the spring of 1780, he volunteered under Captain Haggin and served in the expedition commanded by Col. Boman against the Shawnees on the little Miami a one month - making in all two months that he served as a private.
In the summer or fall of 1780, he was elected Captain of Martin's Station by its inhabitants and continued in actual service three months and until the Station was taken by the British and Indins. In the fall of the same year and immediately after Martin's fort was taken, as above, he received orders from Col. Boman to take command of Bryant's Station which was likely to break up. He served under said appointment two months - making in all five months of actual service as Captain.
There is no living evidence, that he knows of, by which he can prove the foregoing declaration and the only document in his possession is herewith filed, dated August 22d, 1780, signed Col. John Boman.
I hereby relinquish every claim whatever to a pension or an annuity except the present, and declare that my name is not on the pension roll of any agency of any State.
Sworn to subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
Charles Gatliff
The following questions were propounded by the court.
Question 1st - Where and what year were you born?
Ans - In the County of Philadelphia and State of Pennsylvania and in the year1748, agreeable to the record of my age.
Question 2d - Where were you living when called into service?
Ans - At Cook's fort, on Greebriar (formerly Botetort) County, Virginia.
Question 3d - Where have lived since the revolutionary war, and where do you now live?
Ans - Principally in Garrard County, Kentucky, except the last thirty odd years, which is in Whitley County, Kentucky, on Cumberland river, where I now live.
Question 4th - How were you called into service?
Ans - I was living in Cook's fort, and was called into service by an appointment as an Indian spy by Capt. John Henderson.
Question 5th - State the name of some of the regular officers with the troops.
Ans There were none at Cook's fort; but in Kentucky, and in the year 1779,Col. John Boman, 1780, Gen. Clark and in 1781 Col. Benjamin Logan.
Question 6th - State the circumstances of your service.
Ans - I was a spy in 1774 for Fawler's Fort, Culbersons Bottom, on New River, the length of service not recollected. In 1775 was peace, in 1776-'7, we had war with both British and Indians, but I was not called on in either year. In1778, in the month of June, I commenced as an Indian spy the 1st tour with different mates I served upwards of five months. I assisted in erecting Riddle's Fort, in Kentucky, in 1779 I volunteered in Capt. Haggin's Company -and that was on Bowman's Campaign - had a battle at Chilecotha with the Shawnees; we got but one scalp, but lossed 10 or 12 men. After our return I engaged to hunt for game to supply Riddle's Fort to prevent it breaking up -Dorchester, their hunter, being killed, and his mate refusing to serve longer. In hunting I frequently took with me Thomas Emory, who was killed near the Fort. I continued until I concluded to build another fort called since Martin's Fort. I hunted for Martin's Fort sometime. Isaac Reace, my hunting mate, being killed, I took such others as I could get to serve. When I was absent, the Fort was taken by the British and Indians, and it's inhabitants made prisoners - amongst whom were my wife and four children. It hen joined Colonel Logan at Bryant's Springs, and was appointed a spy and pilot for the army which marched to Mad River, at Pickiway - had a battle and lost 18 or 20 men. On our return I received orders from Colonel Bowman to take possession and command of Bryant's Fort (or Station) which I kept until sometime in November; I then took a tour as a spy to Limestone to ascertain the movement of the enemy - a tour of 20 days; and after returning, I resigned all business of the kind, and in the spring 1781, I went in company with Daniel Boone and Benjamin Logan, members elected to the Virginia Legislature, to Virginia. I returned (I think) in July of the same year. In the fall following, I started through the wilderness to join the southern army, but hearing that Corn Wallace was taken at York, I changed my course, and went to Virginia, Greenbriar County. In 1783 I met my family below Staunton who had been taken prisoners from Martin's Station in Kentucky, and with them returned to Kentucky in the month of May. Clark's expedition failing I remained at ease until in 1786. I served in all the campaigns ever raised in Kentucky, except Clarks in 1782 at the Blue Licks - I was a spy and pilot in 1786, under Logan; in 1790 I was a spy, and pilot in Harmar's Campaign - I headed the pioneers about one and a half month, and after my arrival at home, I quit the service. I was in four general engagements previous to this time I served as a spy with 7 others by twos until all were discharged but myself - the longest tour since 1783, the different skirmishes I was in previous I cannot recollect; but I know I served as I have stated first in my declaration – to wit: as an Indian spy - nine months & 13 days; as a private - two months; as Captain - five months.
Question 7th - Did you ever receive a discharge?
Ans - I never did nor did I ever apply, for the nature of my service was different from most others, as I always stood ready when called on and a discharge (if I thought of it) was a small consideration with me at the time. Nor do I recollect any time that it would have been proper for me to apply except once or twice when leaving Kentucky; but intending to return, I never thought it necessary. In fact, I never thought any thing about it, consequently I never applied.
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
Charles Gatliff
Letter filed with pension:
Cain Run, August 22d, 1780
Sir,
You are hearby Required to Demand from the Several Captains on the North Side of Kentucky to make up scouting Party of Men - about 30 in Number will answer the present Purpose, untill I can Reainforce you from this side -Which I will give orders for 100 men to march as soon as possible to joyn you, and to Remain with you until father Orders. When the men joyns you – you are to Endavour to Save the Crops of Corn at these Places whare they have been Planted and left Desolate, and to Indavour to Make Deligent Sarch after the Enemy that they may not Penetrate so far in to our Country as to Distress the Inhabitants thereof, with out being Discovered, and such Discovery, if any, you are to let me know Immediately. For Be af you must - Depend on the woods for, Bread I hope ther in is a plenty by this time at the aforesaid places. What Ever Places you are at whear there is Corn, have an acre misured and valued, when that is made use of, a Nother in the same Manner, that the Owner May be Innabled to receive satisfaction for his Property; but at any Rate not to Suffer the Corn to be pulled any whear through the fields Salt I will Indavour to send with the Men when they come; in the mean time Indavour to Borrow as Much as will do for the Present.
I am, Sir your Hum'l Servt.
Jno Bowman
To Capt. Charles Gatliff
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Niles Register, August 4, 1838.
Death of a Veteran
Died in Whitley County Kentucky on the 30th June last, Captain Charles Gatliff, aged about 90 years.
Captain Gatliff was an early adventurer to Kentucky. In 1779 he settled with his family in Logan's Station; he shortly after assisted in erecting Riddle's Station, and served upon the expedition commanded by Colonel Bowman against the Shawnees on Little Miami; they were defeated at Chillicothe.
In 1780, he was appointed Captain of Martin's Station, which was taken and destroyed by the British and Indians, under the command of Colonel Bird, of Detroit, and the inhabitants taken prisoners; his family, a wife and four children, were taken. He was absent at the time of surrender, and on his return joined to serve under Colonel Clark, being the second expedition from Kentucky. He was appointed a spy and pilot for the army by Colonel Logan; had a battle at Pickaway, and returned. He then took command of Bryan's Station, and after some short time, he was appointed a spy to ascertain the movements of the British and Indians at Limestone. After he returned, he relinquished all military service, and went to Virginia, in company with Colonel Logan and Colonel Daniel Boone. He returned in the Spring of 1781. Went to Virginia the Fall following. In 1783 he received intelligence of his family returning from captivity. He met them below Staunten, and returned with them to Kentucky, and settled in Baughman's Station. In 1786, he was appointed a spy and pilot by Colonel Logan, in which capacity he went against the Shawnees and Delawares combined. In 1788, he commanded as a spy against the Creeks. In 1790, he served as spy and pilot for Harmar's Campaign against the combined hostile tribes collected on the Miami of the Lakes, at the junction of the St. Joseph's and St. Mary's; during the expedition he was appointed to command the pioneers; they had a severe engagement with a loss of half of their men killed, in which he received a wound in the left shoulder; thence marched to Cincinnati and was disbanded.
He served in all the campaigns ever raised in Kentucky, with the exception of General Clarks, at the Blue Licks, in 1782. He was in four severa engagements. The different skirmishes, with the Indians is not known. He was a man of rare qualities; prid of the chase. The Indians viewed him as a deadly enemy whom they never could surprise. He was of a penetrating mind, manly, hospitable and kind, and died as he had lived much esteemed. - A. C. - Draper Manuscript Collection ?J:40-402
George Rogers Clark Papers
Draper Collection
University of Wisconsin
Reel #11, p. 322
A pay roll for ten prisoners that was taken at Martin’s Station in the year 1780 June 26 and was exchanged and was sended on East bay the 6th day of November 1782----John Mchan Lieu., Thomas Machen, William Mchan, William McGuire, Frances Berrey, Thos. Berrey, William Leforce, John Dunkin, John Dunkin, Jr., Samuel Porter
(signature) Charles Gatliff Capt
Council Chamber Nov. 12, 1783
The auditors will settle the payrol hereto annexed agreeable to law.
Amt. Pay roll £769.11.8
(signature) Benj. Harrison
We do certify that Capt. Charles Gatliff at the time the (illegible) was setting to settle the (illegible) for the Kentucky District was gone to Meat his wife and children that was taken in Martin’s Station the 26th June 1780 and for that Reason Could not attend the Commissioners Appointed for that purpose Given under my hand this 7th day of August 1783
(signature) Jn. Bowman
(signature) John Edwards
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:20:22 EDT
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Subject: Capt Charles Gatliff's Company
Ruddlesforters,
I received a few documents today from Marion Donaldson (mardon@door.net) from the book "George Rogers Clark and His Men: Military Records, 1778-1784. Marion is a descendant of Ransom Tinsley who was captured at Martin's Station. I'm not sure if she's on the list or a member yet.
This is an abstract of what she sent. I'll get a more complete copy to Bob for his website soon. There are two similar payrolls probably made out by two different people at different times. They cover the same dates. I'll just send the names for one now the rest later.
The men discharged before the capture of Martin's stration were probably killed by the Indians during the many attacks on the station or while hunting. The "Iky Rice" listed is probably the Isaac Reace mentioned by Charles Gatliff as one of his hunting mates who was killed while hunting. Also Peter Fore who many say was killed at Ruddell's may have also been killed while hunting near Martin's. This record says June 1, 1780 while another dealing with corn rations says June 21.
Jim Sellars
(All the men listed served until 26 June 1780 except where noted.)
(p. 44-45)
A pay roll of Capt. Charles Gatlifs Company of militia Martin's Station, Kentucky County for the year one thousand seven hundred and eighty (1780)
Charles Gatliss Capt. March 17 to June 26 John Machan Lieut.
Solomon Litton Ens.
Sergeants Samuel Vanhook
George Loveless
Privates
Thomas Machan
William Machan
William McGuire
Thomas Berry
Frances Berry
Patrick Machan
William Leforce
Thomas Foster, discharged June 20, 1780
William Foster
Iky Rice. discharged June 12, 1780 [ration list says May 20]
John Dunkin
Samual Vanhook, Jr.
John Loveless
Peter Fore, discharged June 1, 1780 [ration list says June 21]
Hesekiah Fore
John Fore
William Hurt
David White
William Whitesides
John Hargis
Thomas Meguire
Samuel Porter
Joel Hill
Ransom Tinsley
Josiph Hilsmon, discharged June 20, 1780
(signed) John Machan Lieut.
The other list on p. 43-44 has these additional names.
David Tanner
Jobe Monnis [Job Morrison]
James Price
Ikey Price [Tice, Rice or Reace?]
end.
George Rogers Clark Papers
Draper Collection
University of Wisconsin
Reel 5, p. 394
Kentucky County I do certify that Charles Gatliff found his own rations of corn and salt from the 10th March till the 26th day of July 1780 he being in actual service at Martin’s Station being 139 days----James Trabue Coms.
Kentucky County I do certify that John Mahan, Solomon Litton, Samuel Vanhook, George Loveless and Joel Hill (may be Gill) found their own rations of Corn and Salt from the 10th day of March till the 26th day of July 1780 they being soldiers of actual service at Martin’s Station each 109 days ration----James Trabue Coms.
Kentucky County I do certify that Thomas Foster a soldier in actual service at Martin’s Station found his own rations of corn and salt from the 10th Mach till the 10th day of June 1780 being 104 days rations----James Trabue
Coms.
Kentucky County Martin’s Station I do certify that Peter Fore ( surname difficult to read&Mac220;may read "Foze" or "Forc") a soldier in the actual service found his own rations of corn and salt from the 10th day of March till the 21st day of June 1780 being in all 104 days ration----James Trabue Coms.
Kentucky County I do certify that Hezekiah Fore, William Whitsett and John Hargass soldiers in actual service found their own rations of corn and salt from the 10th day of March till the 26 day of June at Martin’s Station 104 days each----1780----James Trabue Coms.
Kentucky County I do certify that William Foster a soldier in actual service found his own rations of corn and salt from the 10th March till the 26th day of July 1780 being 139 days rations---James Trabue Coms.
Kentucky County I do certify that David White a soldier in actual service at Martin’s Station found his own rations of corn and salt till the 26th day of July 1780 being 109 days rations---James Trabue Coms.