Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 456 Location: Winston-Salem, NC
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:55 pm Post subject:
Generally speaking, in the world of historical research:
Primary sources are documents such as birth records, church records, court records, store records, inventories, orders.... things that are written down immediately near time of the action, situation, incident (what ever it is that is being studied) occurs. Recollections are generally considered more in line with oral traditions... as is folklore.
I have written this before, very recently in fact, that it isn't an insult to the author. Humans simply are not perfect and do not remember things perfectly. Historians seek to verify one piece of primary source documentation with others. While a diary written the day of an incident is generally accepted to be more accurate than one written 30 years later,neither is viewed as perfect because of human perception. There is almost always a bias, point of view or motive for the writing and that must also be considered.
"In historiography, a primary source (also called original source or evidence) is an artifact, a document, a recording, or other source of information that was created at the time under study."
"Folklore consists of culture, including stories, music, dance, legends, oral history, proverbs, jokes, popular beliefs, customs and so forth within a particular population comprising the traditions (including oral traditions) of that culture, subculture, or group."
This is a generally accepted methodology of people with a far greater amount of education and practice with this stuff than most of us (me included)... Professional historians, College Professors, ...etc. People who devote their lives to digging into history, write articles and books about their finds, and need them to stand up to the scrutiny of peer review.
Respectfully
Jason _________________ FFBB #3
"Librarian" and "Experimental Archaeologist"
Sure seems like there are a lot of people around here who walk on water...
Here is something one of my college history professors used to tell us all the time:
"With regard to history, you must consider there's what happened;
what witnesses might have seen; what witnesses believed they saw;
what witnesses could recall; and what witnesses chose to write down."
I think it goes along with what Jason is saying very well.
Joined: 02 Dec 2003 Posts: 3346 Location: Greenville, SC
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:22 am Post subject: Re: Issac Lindsay,,,,South Carolina longhunter
steve welch wrote:
Fitz that's a darn good question. In Ramsey's well respected book "The Annals Of Tennessee on Page 95 Ramsey relates:
" After the return of Smith in 1766 from his expedition to the Lower Cumberland, Isaac Lindsay, and four others from South-Carolina, were the next adventurers. The crossed the Alleghanies and the Cumberland at the usual place- hunted upon the Rockcastle and descended Cumberland as low as the mouth of Stone's river.z'
Thanks! That's what I was looking for. I am particularly interested in the area of SC these people came from. Now I have something to go on.
Added:
Seems there were a lot of Isaac Lindsay's. Seems to be a family name. One a ranger in Sumner Co. (near Gallatin) in 1787, probably the son. But a record of Isaac Lindsay, Sr. and Susannah Smith being married May 04, 1762 in SC. That has to be the one I am looking for. If it only had said where! _________________ Ne vous fiez pas à tout ce qu'on vous dit
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Joined: 15 Jun 2004 Posts: 2092 Location: Shreveport, La
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:17 am Post subject:
Do stitch counters ever tire of counting stitches? Personally I find this thread exceptionally boring, yet it goes on forever...there is more to life [and living history] than this stiltified topic--you guys ought to get out more often. Enjoy the woods [I know it is hot]. Smell a rose. Air out your brains... ahhhh, the weekend is almost here--freedom for two days! I will be playing outside... _________________ Mike Roberts
Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 456 Location: Winston-Salem, NC
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:57 am Post subject:
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Do stitch counters ever tire of counting stitches?
So this is where one of us stitch counters can thow in a nasty comment about farbs with impunity?
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Personally I find this thread exceptionally boring, yet it goes on forever...there is more to life [and living history] than this stiltified topic--
So dont read it. _________________ FFBB #3
"Librarian" and "Experimental Archaeologist"
Sure seems like there are a lot of people around here who walk on water...
Joined: 30 May 2010 Posts: 786 Location: The Long Hunters Trace
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:38 am Post subject:
Opps..I should have gave reference. This is the ACTUAL Jesse Mains one night at Martins when he was having a wee nightcap round the campfire !
(,,just raggin' ya a wee bit Jesse,,,be seein' down the trail, pard )
Who is THIS ? Wa' it's Conan the Librarian ! Smile
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heya hoss, the waxin' is a b! Lifting daybooks tends to build the upper bod though.
random picture time? what were we flogging now?
context loving' book learnin' citation dropping primary source and artifact handlin' posse _________________ Some of us are tired of reenacting the bicentennial.
Joined: 29 Jul 2007 Posts: 2256 Location: Fort Pontchartrain du Detroit
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:55 am Post subject:
the outside world is full of scary things so I prefer to stay in the musty stacks and dream posse _________________ There cannot be a ftronger proof of the want and thought in the generality of mankind, than the ignorance and want of knowledge of the principle of baking all over the kingdom. -J. Cochrane, 1795 speaking of British bakers
QUOTE:
"you guys ought to get out more often. Enjoy the woods [I know it is hot]. Smell a rose. Air out your brains... ahhhh, the weekend is almost here--freedom for two days! I will be playing outside..."
Sound and valuable advice, Mike. I'm hittin' the woods!!!!
Some of the cruel conversations being spewed lately has me totally confused and somewhat discouraged.
Ahhhhhhh yes!
The woods is calling, and I'm always prepared to venture forth into the wilderness! (hot or not!)
Thank You for the new improved day!!!
Attitude check! Praise the Lord!!!
Rick _________________ "The present only is our own,
Live, Love, toil with a will.
Place no faith in “Tomorrow”
For the clock may then be still."
Joined: 29 Jul 2007 Posts: 2256 Location: Fort Pontchartrain du Detroit
Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:03 am Post subject:
culpeperlt wrote:
Curious, what store is it (location) that is 50 miles from person A?
That is in reference to this info that I posted in another thread in regards to folks traveling for consumer goods in the backcountry. (Assuming that we can all agree that in 1761 Bethabara would be in the "frontier" edge of civilization and those in the surronding towns would also be in the frontier) ( this place is near current day Winston-Salem, North Carolina)
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On June 15, 1761, the Bethabara diarist recorded that “people gathered from fifty and sixty miles away to buy pottery, but many came in vain, as the supply was exhausted by noon.” Pg 80
Artisans in the North Carolina Backcountry By Johanna Miller Lewis
_________________ There cannot be a ftronger proof of the want and thought in the generality of mankind, than the ignorance and want of knowledge of the principle of baking all over the kingdom. -J. Cochrane, 1795 speaking of British bakers
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Personally I find this thread exceptionally boring, yet it goes on forever...there is more to life [and living history] than this stiltified topic--you guys ought to get out more often. Enjoy the woods [I know it is hot]. Smell a rose. Air out your brains... 
,,just raggin' ya a wee bit Jesse,,,be seein' down the trail, pard )
what were we flogging now?
